Robert GREEN and Mary (surname unknown)
Mary is from County Wicklow, Ireland
To Gloucester Township, Ontario, Canada
Green's Creek at Montreal Road and the Queensway


February 3, 2009:

Hi Al,
 
I have this interesting family I found in Gloucester, via the death cert for a Mary Green, 
born in County Wicklow. I have no maiden name for her, but do have these details:
 
5-8-1883, Gloucester Deaths
Mary Green, 77 yrs.
Born: Wicklow, Ireland
Informant: Francis Green, Farmer, Gloucester
Registrar: C. Billings
 
I think this is Mary, shown below in 1881, living with her son(?), Robert:
 
Household:

 Name  Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion 
 Robert GREEN   M   Male   Irish   35   Ireland   Farmer   Church of England  
 Mariah GREEN   M   Female   Irish   34   O       Church of England  
 Even GREEN      Male   Irish   8   O       Church of England  
 Christriane GREEN      Female   Irish   4   O       Church of England  
 Richard GREEN      Male   Irish   1   O       Church of England  
 Mary GREEN   W   Female   Irish   70   Ireland      Church of England 

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Source Information:
  Census Place Gloucester, Russell, Ontario 
  Family History Library Film   1375865 
  NA Film Number   C-13229 
  District   104 
  Sub-district   E 
  Division   3 
  Page Number   44 
  Household Number   186+  
 
Here's Robert in 1901, b. Ire., emigrated in 1860. He also seems to have a new wife. 
There is also a Francis Green, also b. Ire., emigrated 1855, on the same page (see below).
 
Name: Robert Green 
Gender: Male 
Marital Status: Married  
Age: 62  
Birth Date: 22 Jan 1848 
Birthplace: Ireland  
Relation to Head of House: Head  
Spouse's Name: Edrina 
Immigration Year: 1860  
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish  
Nationality: Canadian  
Religion: Church Of England  
Occupation: Farmer  
Province: Ontario  
District: Russell  
District Number: 112  
Sub-District: Gloucester  
Sub-District Number: E-6 
Family Number: 99  
Page: 11  
Neighbors: View others on page  
Household Members: Name Age 
Robert Green 62  
Edrina Green 53  
Christena Green 24  
Alexander Green 21  
Polly Green 18  
Annie Green 16  
Ethel Green 13  
 
Name: Francis Green 
Gender: Male 
Marital Status: Married  
Age: 67  
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1833 
Birthplace: Ireland  
Relation to Head of House: Head  
Spouse's Name: Harriet 
Immigration Year: 1855  
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish  
Nationality: Canadian  
Religion: Church Of England  
Occupation: Farmer  
Province: Ontario  
District: Russell  
District Number: 112  
Sub-District: Gloucester  
Sub-District Number: E-6 
Family Number: 101  
Page: 11  
Neighbors: View others on page  
Household Members: Name Age 
Francis Green 67  
Harriet Green 65  
Francis Green 28   
 
This William Green below, 1881, has some of the same naming patterns in his family. 
He appears to be gone by 1901:   

 Name  Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion 
 William GREEN   M   Male   Irish   47   Ireland   Farmer   Church of England  
 Harriett GREEN   M   Female   Irish   45   Ireland      Church of England  
 Thomas GREEN      Male   Irish   22   O       Church of England  
 Robert GREEN      Male   Irish   20   O       Church of England  
 Mary GREEN      Female   Irish   18   O       Church of England  
 Jane GREEN      Female   Irish   16   O       Church of England  
 Harriott GREEN      Female   Irish   14   O       Church of England  
 Margarett GREEN      Female   Irish   12   O       Church of England  
 Frances GREEN      Male   Irish   10   O       Church of England  

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Source Information:
  Census Place Gloucester, Russell, Ontario 
  Family History Library Film   1375865 
  NA Film Number   C-13229 
  District   104 
  Sub-district   E 
  Division   4 
  Page Number   48 
  Household Number   198 
 
In trying to determine just where in Gloucester the Greens lived, I noted on the 1901 
census, just a couple of pages past the Green families, this Peter Tompkins:
 
- Peter Tompkins, b. Ire., 1821, emigrated 1852. He's the father of Denis, b. 1866 in 
Ontario, on the same page. He's also the Peter Tompkins who emigrated from Newtown 
(see the FW emigration record, below). Newtown is one mile from Ballynultagh.
See also, Emigration from the Fitzwilliam Estate, County Wicklow, 1847-1856
 
Here's Peter Tompkins's death registration:
 
Gloucester Deaths
 
26-3-1910
Born: March 24
84 yrs. old
Died at Ramsayville
Son of Denis Tompkins and Miss Warren, Ireland
Informant: Denis Tompkins (his son, I assume)
 
All this to say: Peter Tompkins settled in Ramsayville, as did the Greens (and just a 
few years later). Maybe there was some family connection between them. I see that Robert 
is a name both families used in naming sons.

Fitzwilliam Tenants - Family Group 
    ID:  990 Parish 
          Year Listed:   1852 
   Surname   Tomkin 
          Reference No.     19 
   Group Members: 
   Catherine 50, Peter 28, Fanny 24, Mary 22, Jno. 20, Robert 17, Catherine 13.
Christopher Warren 10. 
   Voyage       Townland 
  Ship  Confiance      As spelt in the Emigration 
   Departure             Newtown 
   Arrival  Quebec. June 16th    Official 
   Other Information    Holding 
   15 on account of passage and support.
Chest/Graves in side column.  House down. 

Source: Companion CD to the book Surplus People by Jim Rees.

See also the Henry Tomkins family at Manotick Station.

And, in a section on Hawthorne in the book Gloucester Roots, there is note of a 
Gordon Green (see posting dated February 4, 2009), a pioneer from c. 1830.
 
But there's also a later mention of a Robert Green, who operated a sawmill and gave his 
name to Green's Creek. I wondered if he might have been a husband of Mary Green, mother of 
Robert and Francis.
 
... Anne Burgess
February 4, 2009: Hi Anne and Al, I am interested in any Green's in Gloucester as I am still trying to find out more about Mary Elizabeth Green b abt 1857 in Gloucester d. 1887 in Gloucester, 1st wife of Robert Moxley. Their marriage registration says her parents were Gordon and Eleanor Green, of whom I can find nothing. Re: Greens Creek, this name existed from about 1830, it is mentioned in the descriptions of the township in a handbook for immigrants published by the Canada Company in (I think) 1832 , don't have the exact title handy but I know I accessed it from Bytown or Bust. Re: Locations of Gloucester families in 1901 census I can tell you from looking at most of the census entries at one time or another that you cannot deduce location from the main schedule in this part of Gloucester, the census taker seemed to wander all over the place; there is a second schedule also online which shows the lot and conc of each household in the order in which they were recorded on the main schedule. It shows Robert Green Lot 13 Conc 5 Rideau Front Thomas Green Lot 12 Conc 5 Rideau Front Francis Green Lot 10 Conc 5 Rideau Front http://data6.archives.ca/lizardtech/iserv/getimage?cat=z&item=z003/z000100689.sid&rgn=-0.2804878049,0.0449943757,0.5000000000,0.9448818898&wid=640&hei=600&oif=jpg and Dennis Tompkins East 1/2 of Lot 15 Conc 6 Rideau Front http://data6.archives.ca/lizardtech/iserv/getimage?cat=z&item=z003/z000100702.sid&rgn=-0.0790419162,0.2716981132,0.3041916168,0.7245283019&wid=640&hei=600&oif=jpg Vernon's 1901 Farmers and Business Directory of Carleton County lists 3 Green families in Gloucester: Francis Green Lot 10 Conc 5 Rideau Front, Leitrim P.O. Robert Green Lot 10 Conc 6 Rideau Front, Hawthorne P.O. Thomas Green Lot 12 Conc 5 Rideau Front, Leitrim P.O. The only Tompkins/Thompkins listed is Dennis Tompkins Lot 15 Conc 6 Rideau Front Billings Bridge P.O. Regards, ... Allen Craig
New February 7, 2009: Hi Al and Anne, Here is the reference for the 1832 usage of Greens Creek as found on Early Canadiana Online: The Canadas, as they at present commend themselves to the enterprize of emigrants, colonists, and capitalists comprehending a variety of topographical reports concerning the quality of the land, etc. in different districts and the fullest general information / London : E. Wilson, 1832, Page 140, Regards Allen Craig __________________________________________ Hi Al and Al, I found this marriage below of an Eliza Green, b. Wicklow, a widow. Witnesses were Francis Greene and Mary Ann Greene of Gloucester, and her parents were named as Thomas and Mary Green. It would seem to mean that the whole Green family I sent you the other day (with sons Robert, Francis, and maybe William) were all b. Wicklow. Or maybe I'm assuming too much. From the Ontario Marriage registrations. Eliza Green, 38, of Ottawa b. County of Wicklow, Ireland, Widow d/o Thomas and Mary Greene to Edward Woods, 46, of Richmond b. Ballycanew, Co. Wexford Bachelor, shoemaker s/o Thomas and Eliza Woods Wit: Francis Greene and Mary Ann Greene, Gloucester 8-9-1881 Ottawa Church of England and the attached seems to be the death cert. (Ottawa) for Elizabeth Green Woods, d/o Thomas Green. But sadly, it doesn't give us her mother's maiden name. Anne _________________________________ Hi Anne and Al, I knew I had encountered her before; but couldn't make the connection until you gave me her husbands' names. Here she is in 1901 as housekeeper for Sir Sandford Fleming note that she is still married at this time; so where is Edward ?? http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=98483&highlight=42&desc=1901+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Elizabeth+Wood In 1911 she is living with her daughter Elizabeth Jane (Woods) McDiarmid who married Collis A. McDiarmid in 1899; CA McDiarmid was the son of Duncan McDiarmid and Mary Moxley. Note that Eliz (Green) Woods is still reported as married not widowed --- Edward shows up a little farther down. http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=4387&highlight=8&desc=1911+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Elizabeth+Woods Edward Woods show up on the 1911 Census as an inmate at the "Old Mens Home" at 954 Bank St. http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=3829&highlight=49&desc=1911+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Edward+Woods The 1912 Ottawa Directory describes 954 Bank as the Protestant Home for the Aged. Today it is still a seniors residence directly across Bank St. from Landsdowne Park. And information about his death from Familysearch pilot site: Name: Edward Woods Death date: 13 Oct 1913 Age at death: 88 years Death place: Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario Birth date: 1825 Estimated birth year: 1825 Birth place: England Gender: Male Marital status: Married GSU film number: 1854932 Digital GS number: 4170169 Image number: 867 Reference number: yr 1913 cn 11806 Collection: Ontario Deaths 1869-1947 The only Edward and Elizabeth Woods in Carleton listed on OCFA or the OGS cemetery indices are buried at Beechwood. So far this is all pretty straightforward - here comes the speculative part. The eldest daughter of C A and Elizabeth McDiarmid died in 1926; here is the information as shown on Familysearch pilot. Name: Elizabeth Templeton Mcdiarmid Death date: 29 May 1926 Age at death: 26 years Death place: Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario Birth date: 1900 Gender: Female Father name: C. Arthur Mcdiarmid Mother name: Jean Mackenzie GSU film number: 2079874 Digital GS number: 4171700 Image number: 457 Reference number: 10227 Collection: Ontario Deaths 1869-1947 Note her mothers maiden name, this is one of a few references I have that list her as McKenzie/Mackenzie rather than Woods, and its always bothered me because of the 1911 census and other records that list his wife as Eliazbeth or Lizzie Woods; so now knowing that her mother was twice married I reasoned that perhaps her mothers married name from her first marriage was McKenzie / MacKenzie. So I checked the 1881 census and there they were in Gloucester, see line 20 on page 37 here http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008169389.jpg What makes this really interesting is the family immediately below. Edwards brother??? Next question who was the unknown first husband and was the older girl also named Elizabeth his daughter by a previous marriage or what? The ethnicity difference suggests that possibility. A couple of odd and ends to cover-- first the name Elizabeth 'Templeton' McDiarmid is good evidence that she was in fact the daughter of C A McDiarmid son of Mary Moxley daughter of Richard Moxley and Elizabeth Templeton; this naming pattern is repeated over and over again in this family. Second, C A McDiarmid and Elizabeth Woods stood as witnesses at the Dec 1898 wedding of CA's cousin Luella Moxley to William David Hopkins of Smiths Falls. Luella was the daughter of John Templeton Moxley and Martha Gordon daughter of Samuel Gordon and Mary Wilson of Goulbourn and lastly C A's brother James married an Annie Green of whom I have no information but perhaps she is a daughter of one of the Gloucester Green's? and, this looks like a fit: Name: Francis William Green Death date: 22 Dec 1913 Estimated death year: Age at death: 79 years 5 months 28 days Death place: Gloucester, Carleton, Ontario Birth date: 1834 Birth place: Gender: Male Marital status: Widowed Father name: Thomas Green Mother name: Mary Hannah GSU film number: 1854932 Digital GS number: 4170169 Image number: 163 Reference number: yr 1913 cn 9976 Collection: Ontario Deaths 1869-1947 Regards, Allen Craig ___________________________ So Mary's name was Hannah. I'll have to see if I can find the names Green and Hannah in a townland on the Wicklow Fiztwilliam Estate. Thank you so much. Anne

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