John BARTON and the 37th Regiment of Foot
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Thanks to Tammy Cooper for sending this photo of John Barton
Tammy received this wonderful photograph from Sharon Milsom
John Barton, 37th Regiment of Foot
October 4, 2007: Hi, I recently received some information on John Barton that indicated he was a member of the 37th Regiment of Foot Hampshire Regiment (2nd Battlion). The info came with the following details: ID 1726; 1814-1825: marriage 1 spouse unknown children Ellen (Caroline) Barton b: 8 July 1819. An 1851 census places him in Goulbourn Twp., Carleton Co. I am searching for any information that confirms this (I previously believed Ellen's father to be "Dan"). Any ideas where he may have lived or been posted. I believe they were of the Church of England. Can you tell me more about the 37th Regiment? Thanks a lot! SuAnne Devine-Drawz ____________________________ Thanks to Mr. Ron Dale for the following: The 37th Regiment of Foot was sent to British North American in 1814 but too late to take an active role in the War of 1812. They remained in the provinces until 1825 at which time the regiment was shipped back to England. While in BNA, they served in Upper and Lower Canada with a detachment serving in the Red River settlement (Manitoba). Like other regiments the 37th raised a second battalion during the Napoleonic Wars, although not until 1813. With the reduction of the army following Napoleon's defeat, the second (and in some cases third, fourth and fifth) battalions of regiments were disbanded. The 95th Rifles were taken out of the "line" so that all other regiments above that number were re-numbered. The 100th Regiment became the 99th, the 99th renumbered as the 98th, etc. Finally, beginning in 1819, many of the higher number of regiments were disbanded including the old 100th (which had been first renumbered as the 99th. In the post war period there was an economic depression in the British Isles and high unemployment. The decision was made to offer those soldiers in Canada who were about to be discharged the opportunity to stay in BNA and be given a land grant. This was better than shipping them back to Britain and then disbanding them where they would join the ranks of the unemployed. The idea of unemployed trained ex-soldiers in Britain was a frightening prospect given the growth of revolutionary thought in Europe. John Barton was caught up in this and seemed to have made the wise decision to accept the land grant in the new military settlement in Upper Canada. A soldier could marry if his commanding officer gave permission. Only 12 men per company (60-100 men) were permitted on foreign station: only 6 per company in the British Isles. Barton, if he had a child in 1819, would have likely been married in Canada with permission, meaning that his family would live in barracks with him. There were no married quarters so the typical barracks room might contain 30 men, a 4 married women and half a dozen children. His marriage and the baptism would be recorded in the C of I parish in which these events occured. You can look in the National Archives for the "Troop Distributions" which will tell where the 37th were posted at various times. This would suggest a few parishes and give an indication of which parish records you could check. ... Ron Dale _________________________ Hi Sue: An Ellen Barton, converted from Protestantism to Catholicism in 1839. She married Mr. James Devine on the same day. This family baptized some children at Richmond. Some of their children were married at Richmond. ... Al ______________________________ Hi Al: This Ellen is my great great Grandmother and we believe (anectdotal family history) that her parents were Ellen Seymour and Dan Barton. However some other branches have had John listed as her father. The birthdate on Ellen Barton Devine's tombstone matches the date listed for John's daughter below. Do you have any ideas where I might other listings of John Barton's family prior to 1851, I have them in Goulbourn at that time. Thanks ... Sue _______________________________ Sue: Most of our local townships had census taken in 1822, 1832 and 1842. Some of them still exist (some are a census of agriculture). E-mail the Goulbourn Township Historical Society (google them). They may have something. ... Al
January 11, 2008: Hi SuAnne: I am a direct decendent of John Barton of the 37th regiment. John was born Feb 15, 1794 near Colne, England. I have a picture of him in his later years and the above information is written on the back of the picture. I believe this John may have been related to a Benjamin Barton who also settled in the Goulbourn area. John's two sons John and William settled across the river in Pontiac County and I am decended through John. The Goulbourn Historial Society has some of the work I have done on the Barton's. Hope the above helps and if you have any further questions, please contact me. Regards Sharon Milsom _____________________________ Thanks to Ron Dale for the following (also posted on January 11, 2008): Are these the Bartons who lived on the 8th concession, Goulbourn? I checked the pension records and found that there is not a record of a pension for John--which means that his career in the army must have been shorter than 12 years. Interestingly enough, there was a John Barton pensioner who also served in the 37th regiment at one time. This other John Barton was from Nolborough, Chesire (not far from Colne, Lancashire). He enlisted with the 84th regiment in 1793 and transferred to the 37th Regiment and finally the 2nd Royal Veterans until discharged in 1816 at the age of 35. If the transcription is correct and he did indeed start his career at age 12 (not terribly common but there are enough examples of soldiers sons being recruited as drummers at this early age), it is simply coincidence that two John Bartons would have served in the regiment at the same time. I wonder if they were related in any way. Have you researched John's land petition? Benjamin Barton (like many, many Bartons) was from Ireland. There could be a relationship as many of the Bartons in Lancashire were also Irish. Ron Dale
January 13, 2008: Thanks everyone for your prompt replies and information, it was great! I want to be certain that I am placing myself into the right John Barton family instead of just "making things fit". Sharon, do you have the name of John's wife as Ellen or Helene Seymour and is Ellen Caroline included in your list of descendants for John Barton? Also do your records show John or John Daniel? I think I have a copy of the photo you referred to, it was sent to me by a cousin named Miriam Lawson with the following info. Perhaps she got it from you. "I have Ellen (Helen) Seymour Born 1797 in France married to John Dan Barton born 1794 in Colne, Lancashire, England I found their marriage record 11 February, 1817, Banns, John BARTON, of the 37th Regt., private and Helen SEYMOUR. Witnesses, Rub. WATTS and Samuel SHANNON. - St. James Church Toronto -- Marriages performed by George O’Kill STUART info from Landmarks of Toronto Volume 3 page 395 ff I think he went by Dan more than John - I say that because the name Daniel Seymour Barton lasted for the next 5 generations - my older brother is the last in our family to have that name. My records show 6 children Caroline B 1818 William B 1821 John B 1830 Benjiman B 1834 Buried buried at Stanley's Corners in Goulbourn TWP Daniel B February 28 1842 D May 14, 1919 Buried Stittsville United Church Cemetery although on census he is listed as Weslyan Methodist Sarah B 1849 My records show Caroline Born July 08 1818 as the oldest child.(she was also known as Ellen) she is buried at St. Philips church in Richmond Ontario which would make you think she was Catholic "{She converted to Catholicism when she married James Devine in 1839. Sue Drawz} As Miriam said, I have always believed his name was Dan, but the following info started me looking in the direction of John or John Daniel. Does the following military information match yours? I received this from a different cousin. "going through my family tree papers not even sure where i got this but i thought it was worth a look at - note at the bottom, daughter ellen caroline barton born 8th july 1819 ! interesting ID: I726 Name: John BARTON Sex: M Note: 37th Regiment of Foot Hampshire Regiment (2nd Battalion) 1814 - 1825 Arrived Boston 24 June 1710, back to England leaving detachment at Port Royal. May 1776, Charleston then to Staten Island, Brooklyn, Fort Washington, Rhode Island, Brandywine, Germantown, New York till June 1783 to Nova Scotia - 2 companies to Newfoundland, 3 more to St. Augustine, Florida, 3 companies in Halifax, there for 6 years -- Summer 1789 back to United Kingdom. 3 August 1814 arrived Quebec -- on to Kingston detachjment to Burlington; December 1814 H.Q. at Burlington, 5 companies at Long Point, then Turkey Point. 25 May, 1815 -- 5 companies at Amherstburg; H.Q. there in July, 4 companies left at Queenston and other place near Niagara. 1 companyh from Amherstburg to Michilimackinac. Small party with Selkirk to Red River in 1816. July 25, 1816 H.Q. at Fort George with 2 companies at Amherstburg till summer 1817; September 1816 H.Q. to Kingston with 2 companies at York, sutumn 1817 at Kingston. June 1818 to Montreal for 3 years. 1824 back to Kingston. October 1825 to Quebec and embarked for United Kingdom Arrived 17 April 1839 on H.M.S. "Hercules" from Jamaica at Halifax. Left Halifax December 1841 for Cork. Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown Children Ellen (Caroline) BARTON b: 8 JUL 1819" Information provided by Kaye Bradley (I'm not sure where Kaye found this, but I believe her to be a cousin on the Devine/Barton branch of my family. Sue) If indeed this is all the same family, then the children of John Barton and Ellen Semour span from 1818/1819 (the July 8th is consistent) to 1841. Please let me know what you think and thanks so much for your help! Sue ___________________________ Hi Sue, I was intrigued by your latest message. John Barton and Ellenor show in the 1851 census in Goulbourn. John was 57 years old and Ellenor was 54 and she was born in Quebec--not France. Children at home were Henry (age 16), Susanna (14), Thomas (13) and Daniel (10). Sarah must have died before the census but I am wondering if she was indeed a daughter of John and Ellenor. If she was born in 1849 as per your note, Ellenor would have been 51 a the time of birth. John Senior died April 4, 1870. Several of their children seem to disappear from the records but obviously I am not looking hard enough. I could only find John and Daniel. Daniel Seymour Barton married Eliza Ginks, daughter of John Jinks and Jane Wright. Eliza died in 1917 and Daniel two years later. They lived at Concession 8, Lot 22, father John's property. They had a son also named Daniel Seymour in July 1880 and a son John who moved to Cleveland Ohio. John and Ellenor's other son John eventually farmed on Concession 8, lot 28, Goulbourn. He had a son named Benjamin, born in 1854 who eventually took over that farm. This Benjamin married Harriet Davidson and had at least one son--Frederick William born in 1880. There is some confusion with the Huntley Bartons who came from Ireland. The patriarchs of this family were Benjamin Barton and Andrew Barton both of whom settled in Huntley. The name made me wonder about a relationship with John Barton whose son named his boy Benjamin. I also did a quick check in Griffiths Valuation for Ireland for the name Benjamin Barton and came up with 121 leaseholders in Ireland by that name--in Carlow, Kilkenney, Waterford and Westmeath. Your note suggests that John had been in the 2nd Battalion of the 37th. The 2nd Battalion was formed in 1813 and disbanded in 1817. The 1st Battalion came to Canada in 1814 and stayed in British North America for 11 years. I wonder if John married in 1817 and then accepted a land grant when the regiment was disbanded? This would fit with his establishment in Goulbourn, which was part of the military settlement. I will be intrigued to learn more as you unravel the tale. To think that as a lad I may have actually trodden on John's grave as a made a quick exit from Sunday School at the United Church, freshly coloured images of the Saviour scrunched up in hand and a scowl on my face. Ron __________________________ Ron, I want to thank you for all the help and insight you've provided. Your explanations and background information have help to paint a clearer picture of my ancestors and their environment. To be perfectly honest, I had always had the impression that Canada was a stopgap so to speak on my ancestors journey from Ireland to America. Mostly my Dad's influence I have to admit, he really identified with his Irish heritage! As I started researching it more the past several years, I would give him a hard time about how "passing thru" wasn't really an accurate description of 60-70 years of living and that what he really had was Irish-Canadian & French-Canadian roots! It made for some lively discussions. :) :) Like you, I have found the censuses to be sporadic in listing the children. Have you seen or do you have access to the 1832 census, it's the only one I haven't found online. I tried emailing the Goulbourn Historical Museum but never got a reply. I did find John Barton listed with a household of 3 in the 1820, 1821, and 1822 Goulbourn census and the 1841 only listed the HOH. Maybe the original had more info than what was listed online. You mentioned that you attended United Church as a boy. Do you know if their records have transcribed online anywhere? I found the records for St. Philippi's RC Church to be very helpful in establishing dates and family connections esp. with sponsors and marriage info. The Barton's were in the Goulbourn area for a long time, at least the parents were and I was thinking that they may have stayed with the same church. Miriam mentioned that Daniel Seymour was buried there. I too questioned Sarah because of the age of Ellen and the fact that she didn't appear in any of the censuses, but then again, Benjamin didn't show up until he was an adult and that doesn't make sense to me either. I am assuming that Ellen died before the 1871 census unless she was living with a child in a different location. She's not listed in James and Ellen Devine's household. Maybe I'll try the MacPherson's since that note said that Sophia Barton and Patrick MacPherson were presumed living next door to hew parent in the 1851 census. The Deine's and Barton's circle in and out a couple times. James Devine married Ellen Barton in 1839. Their grandaughter, Ellen Elizabeth Devine married Thomas Henry Barton, son of Daniel Seymour Barton and Elizabeth Jenks. I love try to figure it all out! Thanks again All for all the people you've put me touch with thru your site. I have made so many connections to the Mears, Kavanaugh, Devine, and Bartons branches of my tree. It has really been exciting. Will let you know more as it comes, Thanks again, ... Sue __________________________ I now know why I am strangely drawn to learning more about the Bartons...more later. I have a copy of Mildred Livingston's transcription of the censes for Goulbourn for 1820, 21 and 22. While just the heads of households are given, the numbers of women and male and female children are given. John Barton shows in all three returns for Goulbourn with a wife and a female child-- no males. Since William was supposedly born in 1821, he would show here (I would think) if he was indeed John's son. Now--here's the really weird part. When I was first born, I was brought home to a house my parents were renting in Stanley's Corners. They then moved to a very old log house on the 8th concession. As it turns out, the first house was on lot 22, 8th Concession and the log house was on lot 28, 8th concession, both Barton properties. I seem to have lived in at least one of the original Barton homes! Spooky or what? We only lived in the log house until I was 5 1/2, moving to Westboro. Neighbours there included Bartons. Still, I have vivid memories of the old house. It did not have plumbing and we got water from a hand pump outside. One of my memories is of seeing a gentleman standing above the stairwell on the second floor as I came out of my bedroom, I can still see him very clearly with a large moustache, suit with waistcoat and a watch-chain across the front. The moustache in particular seemed very strange as I had never seen its like at the time. He was just standing there as clear as a bell. I went downstairs and asked my Mom who it was and of course there were no visitors that day. I had seen my first and last ghost without realizing it. Now, 51 years later I may be learning who the gentleman was. I will now double check atlases etc to determine if this was, as I suspect, the Barton house. Ron ___________________________ I note from the discussion the marriage of Ellen Barton to James Devine. They named one of their children Daniel. I Noted another Devine-Barton connection with a Thomas Henry Barton marrying Ellen Elizabeth Devine in Ottawa in 1896. I was also looking at the on-line 1879 Atlas of Carleton County and noted that John Barton lived directly across the road from Benjamin Barton on line 8, Goulbourn. There was a Thomas Devine with property on Line 8 a few miles away past Stanley's Corners (aka Rathwells Corners). Ron ___________________________ And another contribution from a "new" Sue. (new to this thread) No relation at all - just playing on the internet, but did find a few things from various censuses and the Ontario BMDs as follows: 1851 Goulbourne, Carleton census John Barton, 57, born England Ellenor, 54, born Canada Henry, 16, born Canada Susanna, 14, born Canada Thomas, 13, born Canada Daniel, 10, born Canada. **all listed as "Church of England" Aside from the 2 sons mentioned in an earlier posting (they moved to Pontiac county, Que?), I did find 2 daughters who were married before the 1851 census, so not with their parents, although 1 of the girls is immediately next door with her husband. They are: 1) Elizabeth, born abt 1825 in Canada, married James(1826, Ireland) McPherson, a son of James(1802, Ireland) and Mary(1792, Ireland) McPherson (the parents, along with James Jr and wife Elizabeth are also in the 1851 Goulbourne census. James and Elizabeth had at least 3 children (I'm not sure about Matilda as her surname appears to be different): Samuel(1849); John(1851, married Sophia Link in 1873); and Mary(1852, married John Keys in 1874). 2) Sophia, born abt 1830 in Canada and died in 1872. She married Patrick McPherson(1830, Ireland), a son of Patrick McPherson(1782, Ireland). After Sophia's death, Patrick remarried (to Sarah Presley). Of the John & Ellenor Barton children mentioned in the 1851 census, I found nothing on Henry, but did find this on the others: Susanna Barton, born abt 1838, married Moses Black who was born abt 1829 in Belfast. He died before 1900. They had moved down to Saint Lawrence county in New York in 1889 and Susanna was still alive in the 1900 Saint Lawrence county, New York census living with one of her children. Their known children were Robert John, Susannah, Daniel, Moses, Margaret Ann, Thomas William, and Mary E.(married Henry G. Shippee of New York). Thomas Alexander Barton, born abt 1839, married Margaret Black and had a number of children. It is not known if Margaret Black and Moses Black were related, but both were born in Ireland. Daniel Barton, born abt 1842, was actually named Daniel Seymour Barton. He died 14 May 1919. He married Margaret Elizabeth Jinks (she went by Elizabeth). She was also born in Ontario, abt 1847. They had at least 10 children, at least 2 with the middle name of Seymour. In pretty well all of the marriage and death registrations, the parents are listed as John Barton and Ellen Seymour. In one instance the name given as Elizabeth Seymour and in one other, as C. Seymour which I believe to be just a mistake (someone heard C. More and inadvertantly put down C. without thinking is my guess). The John and Ellen Seymour Barton family started out as being "Church of England", but it seems that many of them had become Methodists by the time of their deaths. Ellen Seymour 'may' have been born in French Canada, but not known for sure - just that she was born in Canada abt 1798. John Barton died a Methodist 4 April, 1870 at age 76. ____________________ The Bartons of Huntley twp seem to be another family entirely as they all stem from Ireland, although they too are Church of England. Very few of the childrens' names of the Goulbourne family are the same as the childrens' names of the Huntley family, with the exception of the Johns and Williams who seem to be in every family of every surname! In the 1851 Huntley census, I am guessing that the Isabel W. Barton, aged 70 (born abt 1782 in Ireland), church of England, widow, living pretty well next to Andrew Barton (1802 Ireland) was married very young (15 or 16?) and was the mother of Benjamin Barton (1798, Ireland) and Andrew(born 1799-1802 in Ireland & died 1874 at age 75, married Angelina Bell(1808, Ireland); and John(abt 1802, Ireland). They pretty well stayed in Huntley, living, marrying and dying there. Andrew and Angelina Bell Barton had at least 8 or 9 children, at least 7 of whom married and had families of their own. Anyway, just whiling away a lazy afternoon - hope someone can use some of this. SueNo relation at all - just playing on the internet, but did find a few things from various censuses and the Ontario BMDs as follows: 1851 Goulbourne, Carleton census John Barton, 57, born England Ellenor, 54, born Canada Henry, 16, born Canada Susanna, 14, born Canada Thomas, 13, born Canada Daniel, 10, born Canada. **all listed as "Church of England" Aside from the 2 sons mentioned in an earlier posting (they moved to Pontiac county, Que?), I did find 2 daughters who were married before the 1851 census, so not with their parents, although 1 of the girls is immediately next door with her husband. They are: 1) Elizabeth, born abt 1825 in Canada, married James(1826, Ireland) McPherson, a son of James(1802, Ireland) and Mary(1792, Ireland) McPherson (the parents, along with James Jr and wife Elizabeth are also in the 1851 Goulbourne census. James and Elizabeth had at least 3 children (I'm not sure about Matilda as her surname appears to be different): Samuel(1849); John(1851, married Sophia Link in 1873); and Mary(1852, married John Keys in 1874). 2) Sophia, born abt 1830 in Canada and died in 1872. She married Patrick McPherson(1830, Ireland), a son of Patrick McPherson(1782, Ireland). After Sophia's death, Patrick remarried (to Sarah Presley). Of the John & Ellenor Barton children mentioned in the 1851 census, I found nothing on Henry, but did find this on the others: Susanna Barton, born abt 1838, married Moses Black who was born abt 1829 in Belfast. He died before 1900. They had moved down to Saint Lawrence county in New York in 1889 and Susanna was still alive in the 1900 Saint Lawrence county, New York census living with one of her children. Their known children were Robert John, Susannah, Daniel, Moses, Margaret Ann, Thomas William, and Mary E.(married Henry G. Shippee of New York, USA). Thomas Alexander Barton, born abt 1839, married Margaret Black and had a number of children. It is not known if Margaret Black and Moses Black were related, but both were born in Ireland. Daniel Barton, born abt 1842, was actually named Daniel Seymour Barton. He died 14 May 1919. He married Margaret Elizabeth Jinks (she went by Elizabeth). She was also born in Ontario, abt 1847. They had at least 10 children, at least 2 with the middle name of Seymour. In pretty well all of the marriage and death registrations, the parents are listed as John Barton and Ellen Seymour. In one instance the name given as Elizabeth Seymour and in one other, as C. Seymour which I believe to be just a mistake (someone heard C. More and inadvertantly put down C. without thinking is my guess). The John and Ellen Seymour Barton family started out as being "Church of England", but it seems that many of them had become Methodists by the time of their deaths. Ellen Seymour 'may' have been born in French Canada, but not known for sure - just that she was born in Canada abt 1798. John Barton died a Methodist 4 April, 1870 at age 76. ____________________ The Bartons of Huntley twp seem to be another family entirely as they all stem from Ireland, although they too are Church of England. Very few of the childrens' names of the Goulbourne family are the same as the childrens' names of the Huntley family, with the exception of the Johns and Williams who seem to be in every family of every surname! In the 1851 Huntley census, I am guessing that the Isabel W. Barton, aged 70 (born abt 1782 in Ireland), church of England, widow, living pretty well next to Andrew Barton (1802 Ireland) was married very young (15 or 16?) and was the mother of Benjamin Barton (1798, Ireland) and Andrew(born 1799-1802 in Ireland & died 1874 at age 75, married Angelina Bell(1808, Ireland); and John(abt 1802, Ireland). They pretty well stayed in Huntley, living, marrying and dying there. Andrew and Angelina Bell Barton had at least 8 or 9 children, at least 7 of whom married and had families of their own. Anyway, just whiling away a lazy afternoon - hope someone can use some of this. ... Sue
January 16, 2008: more from Sue: This is from the no-relation Sue who just loves doing genealogical detective work. This is today's findings, about the Huntley twp, Carleton county Bartons of Ireland. Firstly, my educated guess is that the matriarch of this family is Isabella W. Barton, born abt 1782 in Ireland if her 70 yr-old age is to be believed in the 1851 Huntley census. She is 'near' her son Andrew Barton in this census, separated by Vances, and more Bartons (more on this later) I believe their known sons to be: 1) Benjamin (1798 Ireland - 1877 and married to Jane (Dolan? 1792-1878). 2) Andrew (1799/1800 Ireland -1874 and married to Angelina Bell 3) John (1802 Ireland - ?) married to Eliza Dowling(1802 Ireland - ?) Starting with son # 3 John. He is in the 1851 Huntley census with 3 children, all born in Upper Canada: William(abt 1833), Jane Ann(abt 1835), and Eliza (abt 1838). I don't know what happened to William, but both Jane Ann and Eliza married and lived in Perth. Jane Ann to John G. Alexander and Eliza to James Alexander. On both Jane Ann's and Eliza's death registrations, their parents are listed as John Barton and Eliza Dowling (on Eliza's) & John Barton and Eliza Dalain (on Jane Ann's). They are both in the Elma, Perth North census of 1881. Jane Ann died a widow on 8 Jan 1915 in Perth at age 79. Eliza died in Perth 25 Aug 1909 at age 73. Andrew and Angelina Bell Barton had the following 'known' children - there may be more, but I am just going by records. 1) Isabella, born abt 1826 and died in 1862. She married William Downey and they are in the 1851 Huntley census. They had at least 5 children before her death: Charlotte (1846) married Thomas Vance; John (born and died in 1848); Thomas(1851-1915); Sarah Ann(1853-1915 married William Cowan); Caroline (1857 - 1927 married Edmund Cowan). 2) John, born abt 1830 3) Ann, born abt 1832 4) Benjamin, born 1834, married Harriet Davidson. He died in 1914, but the death registration has mistakenly put his age at death at 61 when it should read 81. He is in the 1881, 1901 and 1911 Goulbourne censuses (a widower in 1911 as Harriett died in 1905) - In all these censuses, he is born abt 1834. Harriet and Benjamin had these known children: Alfred, Angelina (after his mother), John A.(A for Andrew?), Maud, Bella (after grandmother Isabella? or mother's maiden name Bell?), and Frederick. 5) Margaret (abt 1837 - 1890) - never married. 6) Eliza (abt 1838 married 1876 Kenneth Mcdonald) 7) William (abt 1840 married 1881 Sarah Cowan) 8) Matilda (abt 1845, married 1876 Thomas Armstrong) 9) Angelina (abt 1850, married 1884 Robert E. Armstrong) I believe that there was another son of Andrew's and Angelina's, son Robert who died before the 1851 Huntley census. He married an Elizabeth Johnson and had 2 sons, William (1844, and married 1869 Dorothy Hawkshaw. William died in 1913 in Ottawa); and Robert(1845). He then died abt 1845/46 and his widow Elizabeth then married Thomas Vance (Vance's Corners?) and had children (surnamed Vance) Mary(1847 and married 1877 Thomas B. Weir), and Ellen(1849). In the 1851 Huntley census, all on the same page and next to one another are: The Andrew Barton Family with thomas and Elizabeth Vance immediately next door with children William and Robert Barton and younger children Mary and Ellen Vance, then a few more people, then Isabel W. Barton, a widow, aged 70, born Ireland. I think it significant that Andrew's first daughter he named Isabella as it was a common practice to name your children after your parents & grandparents. Hope this gives a few new clues to work on, ... Sue (the non-related one) __________________________________ and, Children of Daniel Seymour Barton (son of John Barton and Eleanor Seymour) and Margaret Elizabeth Jinks (always called Elizabeth and died in 1917 at age 73): 1) Ellen (born abt 1863 2) John W. (born abt 1865 & married 1890 Mabel J. in Ohio, USA) 3) Thomas Henry (abt 1867) 4) Ureth(???) (abt 1870) 5) Elizabeth Louisa (25 Apr 1873) 6) Frances (abt 1876) 7) Emeline Seymour (5 Feb 1878) 8) Daniel Seymour (12 July 1880) 9) Joseph Norman (7 Feb 1886) 10) Charles Harold (29 apr 1888) Sue (non-relative Sue) _____________________________ The John Barton who I think is a brother to Benjamin and Andrew, died 6 May 1884 in Elma, Perth county. The informant was his son-in-law, daughter Jane Ann's husband, John G. Alexander. Only information given was that he was abt 80 and born in Ireland. He and wife Bessie (Eliza) are in the 1881 Elma, Perth census living immediately next door to daughter Eliza and her husband James Alexander. non-relative Sue.
New January 26, 2008: The John Barton family is related to the Moses Black family.
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